NEW YORK (AP) -- College presidents from about 100 of the nation's best-known universities, including Manhattan College, Duke, Dartmouth and Ohio State, are calling on lawmakers to consider lowering the drinking age from 21 to 18, saying current laws actually encourage dangerous binge drinking on campus.
Steve Sandberg reports:
The movement called the Amethyst Initiative began quietly recruiting presidents more than a year ago to provoke national debate about the drinking age.
"This is a law that is routinely evaded," said John McCardell, former president of Middlebury College in Vermont who started the organization. "It is a law that the people at whom it is directed believe is unjust and unfair and discriminatory."
Other prominent schools in the group include Syracuse, Tufts, Colgate, Kenyon and Morehouse.
But even before the presidents begin the public phase of their efforts, which may include publishing newspaper ads in the coming weeks, they are already facing sharp criticism.
Mothers Against Drunk Driving says lowering the drinking age would lead to more fatal car crashes. It accuses the presidents of misrepresenting science and looking for an easy way out of an inconvenient problem. MADD officials are even urging parents to think carefully about the safety of colleges whose presidents have signed on.
"It's very clear the 21-year-old drinking age will not be enforced at those campuses," said Laura Dean-Mooney, national president of MADD.
Both sides agree alcohol abuse by college students is a huge problem.
Research has found more than 40 percent of college students reported at least one symptom of alcohol abuse or dependance. One study has estimated more than 500,000 full-time students at four-year colleges suffer injuries each year related in some way to drinking, and about 1,700 die in such accidents.
A recent Associated Press analysis of federal records found that 157 college-age people, 18 to 23, drank themselves to death from 1999 through 2005.
Moana Jagasia, a Duke University sophomore from Singapore, where the drinking age is lower, said reducing the age in the U.S. could be helpful.
"There isn't that much difference in maturity between 21 and 18," she said. "If the age is younger, you're getting exposed to it at a younger age, and you don't freak out when you get to campus."
McCardell's group takes its name from ancient Greece, where the purple gemstone amethyst was widely believed to ward off drunkenness if used in drinking vessels and jewelry. He said college students will drink no matter what, but do so more dangerously when it's illegal.
The statement the presidents have signed avoids calling explicitly for a younger drinking age. Rather, it seeks "an informed and dispassionate debate" over the issue and the federal highway law that made 21 the de facto national drinking age by denying money to any state that bucks the trend.
But the statement makes clear the signers think the current law isn't working, citing a "culture of dangerous, clandestine binge-drinking," and noting that while adults under 21 can vote and enlist in the military, they "are told they are not mature enough to have a beer." Furthermore, "by choosing to use fake IDs, students make ethical compromises that erode respect for the law."
"I'm not sure where the dialogue will lead, but it's an important topic to American families and it deserves a straightforward dialogue," said William Troutt, president of Rhodes College in Memphis, Tenn., who has signed the statement.
But some other college administrators sharply disagree that lowering the drinking age would help. University of Miami President Donna Shalala, who served as secretary of health and human services under President Clinton, declined to sign.
"I remember college campuses when we had 18-year-old drinking ages, and I honestly believe we've made some progress," Shalala said in a telephone interview. "To just shift it back down to the high schools makes no sense at all."
McCardell claims that his experiences as a president and a parent, as well as a historian studying Prohibition, have persuaded him the drinking age isn't working.
But critics say McCardell has badly misrepresented the research by suggesting that the decision to raise the drinking age from 18 to 21 may not have saved lives.
In fact, MADD CEO Chuck Hurley said, nearly all peer-reviewed studies looking at the change showed raising the drinking age reduced drunk-driving deaths. A survey of research from the U.S. and other countries by the Centers for Disease Control and others reached the same conclusion.
McCardell cites the work of Alexander Wagenaar, a University of Florida epidemiologist and expert on how changes in the drinking age affect safety. But Wagenaar himself sides with MADD in the debate.
The college presidents "see a problem of drinking on college campuses, and they don't want to deal with it," Wagenaar said in a telephone interview. "It's really unfortunate, but the science is very clear."
Another scholar who has extensively researched college binge-drinking also criticized the presidents' initiative.
"I understand why colleges are doing it, because it splits their students, and they like to treat them all alike rather than having to card some of them. It's a nuisance to them," said Henry Wechsler of the Harvard School of Public Health.
But, "I wish these college presidents sat around and tried to work out ways to deal with the problem on their campus rather than try to eliminate the problem by defining it out of existence," he said.
Duke faced accusations of ignoring the heavy drinking that formed the backdrop of 2006 rape allegations against three lacrosse players. The rape allegations proved to be a hoax, but the alcohol-fueled party was never disputed.
Duke senior Wey Ruepten said university officials should accept the reality that students are going to drink and give them the responsibility that comes with alcohol.
"If you treat students like children, they're going to act like children," he said.
Duke President Richard Brodhead declined an interview request. But he wrote in a statement on the Amethyst Initiative's Web site that the 21-year-old drinking age "pushes drinking into hiding, heightening its risks." It also prevents school officials "from addressing drinking with students as an issue of responsible choice."
Hurley, of MADD, has a different take on the presidents.
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the drinking age doesn't matter. kids are gonna drink no matter what.
08/19/2008 7:42AM
It's not a good idea
Yes, kids are going to drink anyway but this certainly gives them license at an earlier age. Don't try to mask the problem in the colleges.. it will create a bigger problem.
08/19/2008 7:47AM
Yes
Military service at 18 - drinking at 18 ok. Responsibility starts at home.
08/19/2008 8:02AM
fine
dumb law - should never have been 21 - waste of law enforcement time -waste of tax dollars, gives kids who drink and get caught records, if 18 is smart enough to vote, and drive and go to war - drinking should be legal too - old argument but either 18 is adult or not.... not all 18 yr old (not kids -18 is adult) go to college and binge drink - in fact I doubt most kids go to college - many are parents and hold full-time jobs at 18 - 19 and 20 years old - maybe a full-time job and a family would help those college kid binge drinkers drink less - maybe not - but a law doesn't seem to help much
08/19/2008 8:05AM
Lower the age
If a kids going to get in trouble let them do it while the parents are still around to help.
08/19/2008 8:26AM
Drinkinking age should be lowered.
At 18 you are considered an adult it is the age, where you are allowed to vote, go to war, marry without consent. Why not be allowed to drink?
08/19/2008 8:47AM
Ban Drinking Altogether!
College is a place to learn and prepare for the future, our society is determined to dumb down our children and lowering the drinking age is just one more way to achieve that goal. Why no legalize drugs, or allow occasional speeding in your car. Laws such as the drinking age are made for a reason, I for one believe the universities are anxious to attract students to their rosters, and a lower drinking age is attractive to prospective students. Lower tuitions and administrators salaries not the drinking age!
08/19/2008 8:48AM
it's not a good idea
regardless weather the age is lower or not they do what they want and by make it a law might as well put them 6 feet under because they still don't know how to be responseable our teens will die leave the drinking age at 21 years old don't make it any easyer for them i'm sorry but i don't agree.
08/19/2008 8:51AM
A Wedding without Wine
It's amazing that you can get married at 18 but can't have a glass of champagne to celebrate?
08/19/2008 8:54AM
pres
I have said this for years. The drinking age should be 18 and the driving age should be 21 !!!
08/19/2008 8:54AM
Older parent of 3 adults
drinking age should be 18
08/19/2008 8:55AM
Definately lower it
If an 18 year old can die in a war and vote, they should be allowed to have a drink. They do it anyway.
08/19/2008 9:06AM
VOTE
18 yearolds have the vote. It should be very easy to change the laws. Start with your federal representatives.
08/19/2008 9:07AM
Woosies
The college presidents can't or won't enforce the drinking regs on campus, so they want their students to be able to drink off campus so that the rest of society will do the job the college presidents are supposed to be doing now
08/19/2008 9:10AM
We give them guns at 18!
For goodness sake whats wrong with letting them have a drink. 18 is more managebale in helping them making the right judgement and choices.
08/19/2008 9:17AM
Who waits till they're 21...
...to have their first beer, other than those who abstain from alcohol due to personal convictions? All this useless law does is teach young people contempt and disregard for laws.
08/19/2008 9:17AM
Lowerng the age of drinking
Every year there are reported death in such an act. I think lowering the age for doing something so deadly is thoughless and a legal permission for young people kill themselves ever more.
08/19/2008 9:29AM
Legal age was 18
Legal age ws 18 when I was 18 and it not make me any less responsible. By trying to make it 21 to keep it out of the high school age group obviously didn't work. Responsibility starts at the home. If an 18 year old can vote and pick up a gun and fight for their country ( isn't the average age of a soldier 18 -23) they should also be responsible enough to make a decision about drinking. Age 21 is definitley not working. Most of these ADULTS 18-21 have limited places to go because of the current drinking age, so they're sneaking it drinking where ever they can which makes it even more dangereous. A bar tender can cutoff serving, whose cutting anything off now. There are pros and cons to both sides but it's definitley not working at age 21.
08/19/2008 9:38AM
if you are going to do that
then they should legalize Marijuana too!
08/19/2008 9:44AM
You're suppose to raise the bar
if you lower the drinking age to 18 then you will have more 15-17 year olds binge drinking because their friends will now be able to obtain alcohol. Why not raise it and punish those who break the law?
08/19/2008 9:52AM
are they crazy
instead of lowering the drinking age how about increasing the responsibility of those who are supposed to be in charge to prvent bing drinking. how about a little education about what alcohol can cause. take these 18 year olds on a tour of the local emergency rooms and morgues everytime there is an alcohol related traffic injury or death and let them see first hand the results. letthem attend some of the funerals and talk to the families who have lost a loved one. As a voluteer emergency medical technician i have seen the results of drinking firsthand and it ain't a pretty sight.
08/19/2008 9:58AM
Ban Drinking Altogether!!?!?
Yeah, we all know how well that worked out the last time that happened...
08/19/2008 10:04AM
Lower the limit... Raise the consequence
Let them lower the limit, just raise the consequence when they mess up. Driving drunk should be treated as attempted murder, drunk rape should be treated as agrevated assult. your kid dies because of drinking and driving, family fined for destruction of public property and threatening public with vehicle. Everyone is responsible for their actions. If they allow the age limit to be lowered, will the teens take full responsiblilty or will they blame the law makers for lowering it?
08/19/2008 10:09AM
BAD IDEA-
I also drank at the age of 18 because it was legal and at the time I thought fun. However I have seen many people become ill, get into trouble, even die due to drinking alcohol. Giving people the choice at 18 young years old is just too early to make sensible decisions. There are other things that can be done at 18 that probably shouldn't be as well such as joing the military its just too soon to make such big choices. 21 is a more mature age where hopefully each individual can think things through and make smart decisions.
08/19/2008 10:23AM
ARE YOU KIDDING?
If anything the drinking age should be raised to at least 25!
08/19/2008 10:44AM
It Doesn't Matter
Most kids start experimenting in High School (some even in junior high) with alcohol so it will not matter what the legal drinking age is. However, I do agree that if they are old enough to vote, drive, get married and most of all, go to war, then they certainly should be able to have a drink. I really think more education on the dangers of excessive drinking and driving is what's needed to keep our youth mindful and responsible when it comes to drinking. I'm all for continual, mandatory exposure to hospital, morgues, etc. and definitely stiffer penalties so that they know there are serious consequences for their actions.
08/19/2008 11:07AM
let's make sense people
if you can vote and fight for your country, getting in trouble for drinking is crazy. they should lower it to 18 or 19 and the binge drinking and sneaking would get better. when I was 18 and the drinking age was 18, we never had friends who had to sneak, etc. Also, that parents can get in trouble for their children's actions but a parent should be ok in sending their kid to Iraq is even crazier!
08/19/2008 11:27AM
NO
I don't think lowering the age to legally drink should be approved. This is a crazy idea.
08/19/2008 11:28AM
TELL THAT TO THE FAMILIES WHO LOST A LOVED ONE
I can't believe half of the comments that i've read. I feel it should be increase to 25 and hold accountable reactions to parents who teach their children to drink at a young age. Can one of you stupid fools explain to families why someone who was drinking decided to get behind a while and killed their loved one? Can one of you fools explain it to me and perhaps I could explain it to my cousin who's mother died because a young kid got behind the wheel and ran her over.
08/19/2008 11:35AM
Teach responsibility
People should be taught to be responsible for their actions and stop with this 'it's not my fault' mentality. If you're old enough to die for your country, you should be old enough to drink. Why can one be responsible enough to wield a gun in dangerous situations but not be responsible enough to drink and live with the consequences of over-indulging? The age limit is lower in Europe and it doesn't seem to be that big a deal, why is is a big deal in the States?
08/19/2008 11:42AM
Yes!
Yes. This would give colleges and opportunity to focus on curbing bing drinking rather than focusing an endless amount of attention on controlling underaged drinking.
08/19/2008 11:47AM
face it
long overdue. besides, if college kids can drink on campus, they'll never leave. therefore no driving, no fatalities. if anything, raise the driving age. there are too many kids lacking common sense driiving as it is.
08/19/2008 11:50AM
They MUST be Kidding
What dead head college thought this up? We need more young alcoholics out there. Parents speak up!
08/19/2008 11:52AM
I Agree
Under 21 you can go to war and die for your Country but you are not old enough to drink ~ Go Figure! The majority of Drunk Drivers are over the age 21. And since we are on the subject I think they should make Marijuana legal. No one has ever been killed by a mellow, happy, stoned person.
08/19/2008 11:54AM
GED Minimum
Show your High School Diploma, GED or 21. Maybe this will get the message across, graduate and don't drop out of school.
08/19/2008 11:58AM
Old Enough To Die
Old Enough To Die for your country, old enough to drink
08/19/2008 12:01PM
Lower Limit
18 year olds can fight and die for our country. they can own a bar. Doesn't it seem silly that they can't share a beer with their friends???
08/19/2008 12:03PM
18
no question......18 should be the drinking age.......double standard of serving your country but not being able to drink doesnt fly.
08/19/2008 12:08PM
Yes - like 55 mph, time to go!
Drunk DRIVING is the problem, so let's invest the resources to enforce that instead of on under-age drinking. This is like the 55 mph speed limit - a stupid law that no one followed, whose time has come to overturn at the Federal level. They're holding the States hostage, just as they did for the 55 mph law, to qualify for highway funds.
08/19/2008 12:14PM
IDIOTS !!!!!
Liberal idiots !
Next step...lowering it to 16.
08/19/2008 12:17PM
Parent of 2 in Agreement
lower the age to 18, before I ship you off to college I can show you how to drink responsibly
08/19/2008 12:33PM
Liberal Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The College Presidents that support this mindless thought should be immediately removed from their position
08/19/2008 12:47PM
Lower the age limit
Every other courty in the world it is 18 to drink expect for the United States and Japan which is 20 to drink.
08/19/2008 12:54PM
RIGHT OR WRONG
NO YOU CAN NOT DRINK, BUT GO TO WAR AND GET YOUR HEAD BLOWN OFF. ALL AT 18
08/19/2008 1:02PM
Lower it back to 18!
Old enough to die for our country - old enough to drink! And I told the military investigator the same thing when he came around since my kid is in the military and the top security clearance question asked if the kid ever drank! This is not being a liberal either. I drank legally at 18, and voted and grew up to be a responsible individual!
08/19/2008 1:13PM
BAD IDEA
DO NOT LOWER THE DRINKING AGE.
08/19/2008 1:17PM
NO WAY
NO WAY SHOULD RATHER GO UP TO
08/19/2008 1:26PM
Selfish lack of a conscience
To call these college presidents morons is too easy, they selfishly only see their owns goals of managing young drinkers, thinking this is the way. If anything, the way young people drink, the minimum drinking age should be raised to 25. I have to drive on our highways.
08/19/2008 1:48PM
sure why not
why don't we just give babys beer instead of formula. After all its not the parents responsibility to keep tabs and try to prevent our kids from becoming future alcoholics or drunk drivers
08/19/2008 2:06PM
50 with 3 kids
I have a 17 year old son and I certainly do not want him to drink irresponsibly at a young age but 18 is an adult. I as a parent no longer have the legal obligation to support an 18 year old, and he has the right to get married, to vote, to go to war and if commits a serious crime to go to jail for the rest of their life AS AN ADULT. Prohibition did not work for the country and it doesn't work for 18-20 year old adults. Time to change to law.
08/19/2008 2:31PM
Absolutely
The current legal drinking age encourages early drinking, frustration (especially when thinking that abroad their peers are enjoying alcohol much earlier), and makes alcohol far more attractive because it's a forbidden privilege. Because of the social interactions of people in the 18-22 age group, it's hard to monitor or restrain alcoholic consumption (i.e., they go to the same party, how do you tell a 20yo from a 21yo, short of asking for an ID??). It's like the 55-mph speed limit, who was really driving at that speed back then (or still is for that matter)???
08/19/2008 2:51PM
PLEASE
parents who want the drinking age raised are either religious zealots, unrealistic, or hypocrites. most of us normal people who drank underage and had fake id's to combat such stupidity in our laws beleive that we are all independant people capable of choice. choice of serving our country, choice of drinking alcoholic beverages, and choice of who our leaders are. there are always a few morons who are not capable of these responsibilities and the masses should not be punished for it. i am a parent who done and learned from my experiences and it would be quite hypocritical for me to not want the same for my kids.
08/19/2008 6:14PM
From out of the Country
For all the good reasons listed above-- being a legal adult at 18, able to go to war, to vote, get married, etc., the irresponsible intoxicating drinking habits of many of the American young adults and teenagers needs to be questioned and changed. My sons grew up in a European country and their European father and I are amazed at the differences in drinking "customs" between their American and European friends. The abuse of alcohol by their American friends-the drinking for getting drunk is so relevant, unlike their European friends where it's no big deal. They're allowed to drink. What explanation than to think it's because drinking was never something forbidden. I seriously think our adult (18-20yr old) children would be safer if they were allowed to drink at the age of maturity, and be prepared to accept the responsibilities that go along with it, as we did.
08/19/2008 7:25AM
Should the drinking age be lowered?
Some college presidents think the best way to stop binge drinking is to lower the legal drinking age from 21 to 18. Do you agree?
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